How would you compare the Amsterdam culinary landscape of 15 years ago with that of today?
David
Let me think, I was 13 back then. In my memory, there were two restaurants that mattered to my family in Amsterdam. That was Toscanini and Café Restaurant Amsterdam. And there was Bordewijk. That was one of the only ones in the Netherlands who really cooked French on a high level. He used to always go and pick up his products from France as what he used wasn’t even available here. You could not get things like fresh basil here. Though that might have been a little longer ago. But if you went out to eat, which people didn’t do very often, that’s where you could eat things which you normally only ate when on holiday.
The amount of different products we can get now, is a world of difference compared to back then. And I think for guests, the endless variety of wine bars, good-level restaurants, good-level bistros, and Michelin-star restaurants has really increased tremendously and the interest in them has also grown exponentially.
Juul
It is also a fairly recent development that it is so normal to go and eat out and not necessarily having to cook at home every night. We can be as full on Mondays as we are on Fridays.
Also, there was quite a trend with a kind of single-issue restaurant: ‘This is my concept and this is what I do’. That was popular until a few years ago. What’s been on a steady rise in recent years is the move towards being more artisanal and more complete in a restaurant. So really just eating more courses, from A to Z instead of just a burger or chicken; a single item that was meant to define them.
What has inspired you lately?
Juul
We like to go to France a lot. The hospitality industry in Paris always manages to inspire us. What happens there, what you see there, how people relate to all that is happening there, how it’s being received. Some places require reservations weeks or months ahead, there’s entertainment, dress codes, and the works. Others don’t take reservations at all. You just have to hope you get a chance. So yeah, many bold things happening there from which we take inspiration. And looking at those makes us realize how much more we can expand in Amsterdam.
David
I had certainly thought of that too. Another thing that came to mind immediately was a trip with the team we made last year to Domaine Des Baumard, which was the most inspiring trip for me to date. That’s where it everything seemed to have come together.
This time we were invited and we met them at their winery. As we had been there twice before we already knew them. I would even call them friends by now. At a very small scale they produce Savennières at a high level of quality. It’s a wine we really enjoy working with. It remains a bit of a complicated wine because people don’t know it and it does get pricey. So it takes a little extra effort to get it across.
We stayed with Florent, the owner, at his family home with our team. He took us around his entire farm for two days. His own son who’s of our age, was also with us. The deal was that he would take care of everything regarding the wine, and educate our team about his way of producing, for which he really took his time. And, we were in charge of all else, mainly food. He had given us the key to the house and every day he would come to do his lectures and walks and we would set up the table for lunch and dinner and we all ate and drank together. We improvised a beautiful long table outside in the sun, took out the tablecloth, the girls went to gather flowers from the garden, and we put candles in bottles. For dinner, we used local produce, and the guys from our team cooked. Everything happened as one big family. And before we knew it we had arranged a beautiful, idyllic setting. Even Florent himself was amazed.
He went into his cellar all the time and showed up with beautiful old vintages which he shared with us, further extending on what went into its creation. It was this beautiful get-together of friendship, shared passion, and selflessness that created this unforgettable atmosphere.
Another instance that inspired me was one of the last times I was in Paris, can’t recall which one. I had made a reservation at Servan. We had eaten there once. I loved it so much I wanted to show Easy (girlfriend). It had become famous five years ago because of Action Bronson’s visit. I thought that was really cool at the time, but then I was also like, well, I’m not going to go there anymore as it will probably be filled with tourists only now.
But when we arrived it wasn’t necessarily that way at all. And then a few days later Dua Lipa posted about it saying that is one of her favourite restaurants in Paris. Again I thought, ‘f*ck, here we go again’. But again, there were just French people and brains on the menu, nothing changed. How authentic it remains, despite all the attention it has gotten, I found that very cool. Despite even having say brains on the menu.
I hope to establish that with Café Caron as well. That it’s too authentic and solid to change or have the type of guests change, despite outside influence.
So, what makes a good restaurant?
Juul
That the people working there embody the essence and are able to convey it. An infectious feeling that someone is passionate, that’s what makes it for me.
David
For me, it comes down to true authenticity.
What’s on the bucket list for Caron?
David
A castle in France.
Juul
Well, we are also promoting the upcoming opening of the new Petit. As we are currently down to three restaurants as Petit is moving into its new and renovated location.
Besides that I want to say that we keep running, keep developing, keep moving forward. If we do that a bucket list thing for us might be to look at what could we do across the border in France. Not to go and open a restaurant in Paris, that would be carrying coals to Newcastle. But how can Caron add meaning and deliver an experience worthwhile in France for its Dutch guests? I think our ideas as a group drift towards that.